Adamantios Chloros, director of the NSS Department of Pulmonary at Papanikolaou Hospital, and the director of the Pulmonary Clinic of the hospital, Evangelosmos George M 64 or 65 and over, while the second to talk even about the universality of the compulsory vaccination but also a universal NSS public – private sector.
For his part and for 120 dead a day during the Christmas period, the professor of environmental engineering of the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Demosthenes Sarigiannis, spoke to SKAI.
Chloros: “It should have already been ordered – Compulsory vaccination for those over 65”
“The situation has worsened, the system has reached its limits, and I do not know if anything more can be done,” Adamantios Chloros warned SKAI.
“Measures are taken, and rightly sometimes, many mistakes are made, but (the right measures are taken) with a long delay when the evil has been done… I hear that it is on the table (the order of doctors) and it is done, it does not tell me anything” .
He left open the possibility of having patients in the courtyard, but for the strengthening of the NSS with private doctors he explained that “when you recruit doctors from the private sector it will take a long time, adjustment, 1 to 3 months, because what they will do will is very different in the hospital. “It simply came to our notice then. Of course, we should have taken the measures for the unvaccinated for a long time “.
We have, the pulmonologist explained, about 800,000 infections in Greece. If we take them at the age of 1 death occurs in 41,000 under 18 years, about 120 deaths in up to 40 years, about 1 in 100 will die from those aged 40 to 65 and 1 in 7 in those over 65. “It should “There are targeted measures with mandatory not only incentives,” he stressed.
According to Mr. Chloros, collective immunity will be achieved when some people are vaccinated and some people get sick and we will reach 90% collectively, that is, you will vaccinate the most vulnerable and let the younger ones move. “If you prevent infections in those who are not at risk, that is, in younger people, then you will never achieve collective immunity because the thing is rolling, that is, someone is vaccinated and in six months is ready to be infected and sick, so what happens? “Some will continue to spread and the pandemic will last indefinitely.”
“Either we will lock them in their homes 64 – 65 so that they do not have contact with the younger ones who can transmit them – which is not possible – or we will vaccinate them” was his proposal.
“Did one or two die due to vaccination? “16,000 have left the virus,” he commented.
Bulbasakos: “NSS private – public and universal compulsory vaccination”
“All the statistical models are confirmed, we see that the pressure exerted on the NSS may be at ‘beyond five’, the possible collapse of the system, it will collapse if no action is taken” warned in his turn George Boulbasakos
“The first step is to extend the obligation to vaccinate. We should look through the bioethics committee and the mandatory universal vaccination. This is the decisive step, but let us at least start by extending the obligation. Strengthen the NSS so that it does not collapse, not with the imperatives, but with the integration of the private sector in dealing with the pandemic in a complete and universal way. “We will collapse shortly after 2 years (of a pandemic),” he warned.
“There are 7,000 people missing from the health system who did not want (and wrongly) to be vaccinated. “Do we have the luxury of not using private health facilities and worthy colleagues?” he wondered.
Sarigiannis: “And over 10,000 dead at the beginning of December – 120 dead at Christmas”
Professor Demosthenes Sarigiannis stressed that we will continue to have this increasing course of cases, with the same very worrying rate for at least 7 to 8 days, while we will continue to have an increase until the beginning of December. “It was 6,600 cases the rolling weekly average of cases, and by the beginning of December it will rise to about 9,400. “This means that we will have a day with more than 10,000 cases, with a greater increase in the need for intubation, and unfortunately a faster increase in deaths.”
In intubation, the professor explained, we can reach around 800 cases around mid-December. We will have a peak of 120 dead a day around Christmas.
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