On Lula’s arrival at the climate conference, The New Yorker magazine published “his first post-victory interview” in São Paulo.
“Lula, who turned 77, looked his age, also tired,” writes Jon Lee Anderson. “As he spoke, however, his famously high energy levels returned. Soon he was sitting on the edge of his chair and enthusiastically picking me up to expound his ideas.”
The first question was about the way to fulfill the promise of zero deforestation, with the journalist saying that he has a great “moral responsibility”, because “people around the world are expecting you not to save the Amazon, but to save the world”.
Lula: “Yes, I know, and it scares me, because people are very optimistic about our government. I spoke with President Biden and I just spoke with Josep Borrell [chanceler da União Europeia]🇧🇷 People are waiting for something to change, and it will.”
About the Amazon: “I intend, in Egypt, to show what the Amazon will be like from now on. We don’t want to transform the Amazon into a sanctuary for humanity. What we want is to study, research the Amazon. Nor should it be a place where you cut down a tree for no reason”.
Lula says he will discuss the issue “very seriously” with the Brazilians who live in the region, later naming Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador and Colombia. She will also “talk to Congo and Indonesia”, tropical forest countries.
He then went on to question the current “weak global governance”. “It is necessary to add new countries to the UN Security Council, to end the right of veto”, also because “today’s geopolitics is different”, it is no longer the same as in the post-war period.
“There has to be an international decision”, argues Lula. “Let’s give an example: we signed the Kyoto Protocol, and the US didn’t comply. So there’s no point in approving the decisions in a multilateral meeting, if each country is going to take it back and decide there”.
VICTORY FOR THE PLANET
In Time magazine, “Lula’s victory gives the Amazon a chance”. In the online title, “Lula’s victory is a victory for the planet”. In short, “the best news the global climate struggle has received in a long time”.
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